As a 10-year-old in the 1970s, Tracey Gore recalls coming out of a shop in Lodge Lane in Toxteth, Liverpool and having racist abuse directed at her.
It came from the mouth of a police officer as he walked past.
She says these experiences were typical of the treatment meted out to young black people at that time.
Now some 50 years later she says racism is still a problem in her home city and she’s determined to see that change.
Liverpool has the longest established black community in the UK, and in the wake of the Black Lives Matter movement, the city’s mayor has set up a new Race Equality Taskforce to be headed by Tracey.
Having spent her working life in housing, for the past 17 years as director of the Steve Biko Housing Association in Toxteth or Liverpool 8, as it’s always known locally, she knows the community well and has done a lot to improve things.
But ask her if there is still racism in Liverpool and her response is unequivocal.
“Yes there is and I say that with a heavy heart,” she says.
“There are two sides to this. On one hand, the far-right will try to come and march in this city and we will turn out in droves to stop them. And I am really proud that happens.
“But on the other side we have still got systemic racism.
“So our kids are still being excluded from school, we still can’t get jobs and if we have a job, we find it difficult to progress. We’re more likely to be arrested, we’re more likely to be in jail.”
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